I'm writing because I'm stuck, but before I figure out how to encode that, thank you for this game. What makes classics classic in any genre is they use the medium to tell a story in a way that wouldn't be possible without that specific format, and that's what makes your point and click feel old school more than the pixelated aesthetic. This is a great combination of timing, wordplay, and visual detail, and the puzzles feel 'real' -- enough of the puzzles tell a story that nothing feels like it's randomly been dropped in the wrong room just to add to the gameplay time.
Going to try to give hopefully non-spoilery clues to where I'm stuck.
- I have red, blue, and grey keys, but not yellow. I've used two keys so far.
- The guardian is still guarding, the stars are obscured, and nothing's solved with beast and bird. I can see the cosmos, and I've gotten zapped.
- I've found and correlated a few clues about the time, but aside from taking notes haven't found out their purpose.
If that's not enough to explain where I'm stuck I can answer more. As an aside, does gameplay require people to click on a fast traveler? I've spent way too long trying to get the timing of that to work.
Thank you for the kind words! Glad you're enjoying the game so far.
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Your next step appears to be getting the bird to help you. If you have the FALCON GLOVE than you can USE it on SELF when the bird does a fly by. You dont need to click on the moving bird sprite himself
A very fun game, and I'm enjoying playing it. I've gotten stuck a few times just because I couldn't see that there was something I could interact with, but managed to figure it out from seeing the few hints in the comments here.
[SPOILER] I'm completely and utterly stuck on how to transport the oasis water, sadly.
This was super fun! I really enjoy old-school aesthetic games and this definitely scratches that itch. The world was fun to explore, and had a lot of interesting things going on. Having 6 different commands to do in each room really gives you a lot of options! I was pleasantly surprised by the music as well, there were quite a few great tracks. There's just something I love about being dropped in a new world and just told to explore. I definitely recommend this if you like older style point and click games!
Just finished watching. It's always fun watching people play these kinds of games for the first time without having played any other titles in the 'macventure' series. Things like seeing you discover what the bottom left corner 'X's mean is always enjoyable. Thanks a lot for playing and for uploading that video :D
This game is absolutely fantastic. The art style, the creative puzzles and breathtaking scenery. It's just so complete! I'm excited to play your other game, Infested next! If you were to make more games like this; they would be duly supported and loved! Amazing work, all of you!
I absolutely adored Infested and I'm so so excited to play this! The only problem with the MacVenture series on NES is that there weren't enough of them, so it is so delightful that someone has picked up the torch and is making more! Thank you for this!
Hey Grahfmetal, I had the opportunity to try your new game. I really like it so far! I got stuck several times in the game but I have found ways to help me figure out what to do, still working my way through it. The writing is really good, I enjoy the story, and the soundtrack is pretty good. I look forward to more point-and-click adventure games!
Alright, I think I am at the point where I need a pointer. Do you know where I could find a map, in-game, that will guide me to the Oasis? I found a map in the alkazar but apparently that wasn't the right one when I tried following it.
Finally found it, thanks. I seemed to have been reading the map incorrectly, I had to follow it literally to get to my destination. The game's positioning of the character threw me off by 1 square.
Amazing!! As you, the 8-bit adventure series are my all the time favorite games and I have plans to make a game following the same concept. It still on the paper, but the design is almost done. I bought Aseprite and was studing some framework to use (I was probably going to Visionaire, but I will take a look in GMS2).
By the way, I had contatc with Dave Marsh, one of the Shadowagte & Cia co-creators. I remember of mention you and your game Infested to him sometime ago and he seems to had a very good impression of the game screens.
That's great to hear. I look forward to seeing your work. that's exciting! It's always awesome meeting fellow fans of this nostalgic sub-genre. We actually put a reference to Dave and his team in Infested :D
The MacVenture (shadowgate, dejavu, uninvited) series is one of my all time favorites, so it does not come lightly when I say that this game is an absolute masterpiece. Now I am really excited to play Infested!
Wow, thank you so much! Super glad you liked it. The NES Macventure games are among my favorite games of all-time as well. We're super excited for you to try Infested. It's more simplistic than Spectacle, but that's only because we tried to emulate the more earnest style of the NES as much as we could :D
I finally finished this game! It was great :) I enjoyed it a lot and it reminded me of the old adventure games (in particular, the universe brought me back memories of King's Quest VI). The quality is good enough to pay for the game. Now here's a more detailed feedback from a gamedev's point of view (for possible improvements):
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More specific text with failed, but plausible actions could be great. For example: I tried to pick the floating bottle with the sabre and polearm (I didn't have the correct item). It would be great if the game acknowledges that this is viable, but finds an explanation of why this doesn't work. Same for grabbing the fruit with the same items. This could also be an opportunity to give the player more accurate information on what kind of item he has to use and makes him understand more why the item is stuck/unreachable. This would be a smart way to give hints.
The background is sometimes tedious to examine. It is hard to understand what the game considers separate entities or just plain background. I know it's part of the game, but maybe hovering over the background could already give an info (highlighting or displaying the pointed entity's name). I ended up clicking the same background way too much and had to lose time to pass the generic text. I wouldn't have lost that much time if while hovering it still says "palace" or something. "use X on X" text could also be great. It would also help with all the hidden things (which are kinda lame if you're stuck because of them :) ). Also, the door on the right in the monastery could react to exams when it's closed.
Remove the items that aren't needed anymore. Players will always appreciate when their inventory doesn't get filled with single-usage items and will be able to focus more on what's important. I know it is already implemented (hook or polearm), but some extra cleaning could help (e.g. "torn note" or scrolls)
A "wait" button (forward 30min) could be easily implemented and would be great. In particular, if you want to be 30min later on the same spot, doing the whole "move + freeze time + come back" is tedious. Also, seeing the sky while the time passes seems like an essential mechanic to the game (forwarding 6h is too much to see how things change). By the way, the spell to pass time would be more useful if you could choose directly what hour of the day you want (by clicking on the watch for example). I don't think it would impact the gameplay in a negative way.
Some things could be hinted a tiny bit more. Actually, I think all secret places (or their existence) should be mentioned somewhere (in a book or whatever). Also, maybe mention something about the glowing insects related to time.
I found some spelling mistakes. I can't remember where exactly, but I swear I read "theives" (instead of thieves) and "tress" (instead of trees) and some more. Maybe double-check.
I liked the idea of the procedural dungeon. However, I think the timer was a bit "off". The game didn't require to react quickly so far, so it was weird for me. I think it would have been more relevant to have a limited number of steps (or limited number of 30 in-game minutes). This way, you could add some interactions with the environment. Having to run through these corridors without being able to examine/use anything was kinda frustrating. All I did was just brainlessly use the "follow the wall" trick and quickly skipped the whole section, which I suppose required quite some time to implement.
The game crashed when I used "open" on the torn note. Also got some "generic fail X", but I can't remember where.
All in all, this was a great game! I loved the idea of the use of time and I liked that you're guided by the scrolls. This magical universe is really immersing. If there are players reading me that are stuck, make sure to check for secret places everywhere (especially where you already collected items).
Wow, thanks for the thorough feedback and advise, that very much appreciated. It's always great to see constructive feedback with good examples.
- Your first point is fantastic, definitely will consider more detailed fail texts for a future patch
- The second and third points are also great, but they're more of a design choice meant to emulate the original Kemco ICOM NES trilogy. So we actively chose to keep certain gameplay elements "dated" in order to keep authenticity, part of our goal admittedly is capturing nostalgia, but I 100% get what you're saying.
- The fourth point on waiting 30 min. and choosing a time is actually something we tested out early on quite a bit and we found it made things way too easy and felt that the combination of moving, freezing time and passing time 6 hours made the puzzles require more planning. trust me, it took a LOT of trial and error to decide on freeze working for 5 screens, time forward being 6 hours and screen movement being 30 min. we tried several combinations and this is what we felt worked for us, I do understand the tedium, but it's a decision we felt worked the best. Great suggestions, nonetheless
- As for the final point on spelling mistakes...I figured that was bound to happen. I'll do a quick pass of the text to see what I can find for the next patch, thanks :D
Again, I really appreciate the awesome feedback. Out of curiosity, what would you say your level of experience in both point and click adventure games and puzzle games is? Also, have you played the Macventure originals, Shadowgate, Deja Vu, Deja Vu II and/or Uninvited?
On that note, have you played or other game, Infested?
Well, thanks for the game! I think most people don't realize how much time it takes to make a game of this quality, so publishing it for free is something to honor.
I didn't even know it was based on a particular game family, so I guess your design choices make sense. However, keep in mind that implementing such a game from scratch is a great opportunity for you to add your own touch and features that weren't possible or weren't thought of at the time. I'm pretty sure adding things that make it more comfortable for the player wouldn't damage the nostalgia trip (considering how everything else is well set up).
About the time things, if you tested and came up with these values, then I think I can't argue much about it. But in my opinion, there are two different "too easy" for the player. The first "too easy" would be if the player completes a puzzle by chance or if the puzzles are too obvious to figure out, this one, of course, you want to keep it away. The second "too easy" is when a player figured out a hard puzzle or found the solution to a hard problem, and then isn't struggling to achieve it "mechanically" (clicking something that is too small, too fast, navigating in a slow UI etc...), that kind of "easy" is something you want. Not having it would only be great for action games in my opinion. It felt a bit weird to have to do "come and go" to pass time by 30 minutes instead of just clicking a button. If it was intended to have to figure out the "move, freeze, come back", maybe design a puzzle specifically to have to do something like this (e.g. you can't stay on a tile or you would die from quicksands or something...). Because once the player figured this out, if he has to repeat this task multiple times at other places, you will bore him (pushed to the extreme, that would be like having to cross the desert manually everytime, but you identified that it would be boring and implemented the second kind of "making it easy"). Also, I would undoubtedly prefer a "choose the time spell" with a very long animation over a fast "6 hours forward", this way I would only be able to easily do what makes sense and won't "bruteforce" the solutions. Anyway, I'm pretty sure you have your reasons to design it this way, but just sharing some ideas here.
I haven't played any of the games you mentioned. I've played all the monkey islands, runaways, day of tentacle and this particular king's quest I talked about (also some other indie games). I'd say I'm an experienced gamer and game designer in general, but not particularly in those kind of games.
I saw you made another game of this kind, I felt more attracted to the universe of this one, but I might try the other someday ;)
Also, I edited my other comment and added 2 more things. See ya!
"However, keep in mind that implementing such a game from scratch is a great opportunity for you to add your own touch and features that weren't possible or weren't thought of at the time. I'm pretty sure adding things that make it more comfortable for the player wouldn't damage the nostalgia trip"
Oh don't worry, there is plenty of comfort updates and modern touches in our games. I just wanted to make sure to capture the essence of the originals as much as possible.
Again, some more great points clearly coming from a place of experience. Especially about the types of "too easy". Thanks for sharing, but yes, we did in fact have our reasons for doing it the way we did.
I HIGHLY recommend Shadowgate, as it's a genuine masterpiece and the gold standard in this specific sub-genre of game. Deja Vu and Uninvited are also fantastic. Make sure you play the NES Ports, which are the definitive versions and what our games are gameplay and graphically based on. You can actually get the 3 NES games bundled together on PS4, XB1 or STEAM as the "8-Bit Adventure Anthology: Volume I". Of course an NES cartridge for Shadowgate is dirt cheap if you're an original hardware person like me ;)
Also, thanks for the OPEN TORN NOTE crash, fixing that now!
I'll make sure to try your recommendations whenever I feel like playing this genre. If you got inspiration from those for Spectacle, then they surely must be great!
I just want to say that I love the work you did on INFESTED and now SPECTACLE. These games are amazing and the ICOM games are close to my heart so I appreciate you guys giving awesome tributes to those games.
Thank you so much for your kind words! It's always great to see others whom appreciated the ICOM originals. They obviously meant SO MUCH to us as well.
We really appreciate the offer for a donation and although we don't accept donations, how about considering buying the soundtrack to Infested and/or Spectacle on Bandcamp? That would definitely be much appreciated :D
Okay, this game was DAMN BRILLIANT. I really hope this and Infested grow legs and gain more recognition, they really deserve it. I'd love to see a double-pack on physical one day.
I mean no offense, but Spectacle really seem to have improved upon Infested. Way more indepth and thought-provoking, you guys have really seem to have evolved and improved upon your last game.
I really hope we see more like this from you guys. Thanks again!
Thanks again for such wonderful words. It truly does mean the world to us to hear such praise. We're very happy to have found an awesome audience and I agree that it would be super cool to make a console port one day with a physical release :D
This game is really fun and absolutely beautiful. I love everything about the way it looks and sounds.
I don't know if it's just me or not, but I've gotten very lost not too far into the game. Based on the other comments, it does seem to just be me, but I've done all that I can find to do and i can't find any progression points
Seems like that isn't just you! probably a thing to click at we overlooked. But there's no video playthrough yet to see what it is. Well maybe tomorrow i'll be more lucid.
Thank you for the compliments. We really appreciate that! We should have a walkthrough up this weekend. In the meantime if you're still stuck maybe I can give you a hint here
Okay i tought i could do it on my own, but besides smashing empty bottles on my skull i haven't made any progress.
Spoil:
Got 3 spells (o'clock, niahc, SAF), a silver cicada and an eye gem. I blew away the blue spirit, but it actually didn't lead to anything. i tried praising the sun like scroll 1 suggested but it wasnt't very successful. Any hint?
edit: crashed the game while desesperately trying stuff, not a big deal at all but you might be intersted in the logs.
___________________________________________ ############################################################################################ FATAL ERROR in action number 1 of Mouse Event for Left Pressed for object obj_ui_btn_inv_base:
second index out of bounds request 0,2 maximum size is 1 ############################################################################################ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- called from - gml_Object_obj_ui_btn_inv_base_Mouse_4 (line 119)
It looks like a really good game, but when i open it, the screen is very small and i don't know why and i don't think it'll be easy to play if i can't see whats happening.
Hit "Alt + Enter" to go into full screen mode. If you want use window mode then go into options menu and change scaling and then "Alt + Enter" back to window mode. Note this bypasses the full screen toggle in the options menu.
The game is excellent, I loved every part of it, the gfx, the music, the atmosphere, the story and the puzzles.
Game really bring the oppressing part of those Mac-Venture games, I love these games because they are essentially dungeon crawlers with actually great dungeons where you're checking for loose tiles and such and this game excels at being that, it's not exclusively about death and being alone even if these things are important too.
I think the difficulty is fairly on point, with double hints used with parcimony and in the right places.
Not sure I really used the blue key to the door where you're meant to, I only found the spot at the very end (I missed to pick the hook) and the door was already opened for a very long time. Also examining the genie's choices gave me "Exam Fail 2" message.
Thank you for the kind words and thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what you mean by the blue key stuff or "I missed to pick the hook". Could you be more specific?
What's certain is that I "open"ed the door and it opened before I removed the tile where the blue lock is.
I don't know if the door was always unlocked from the start or not.
I don't know if I owned the blue key or not at that moment.
I don't know if I ever used the blue key or not on the spot (before revealing it), it's possible that I did.
Don't bother with the hook, I mentioned the hook because the bar with the hook is what helps you get the bottle where the hint about the location of the blue lock and I didn't have this hook (nor the hint then) when I opened the door.
You shouldn't be able to open the door without unlocking it with the blue key. I'll do some testing today to find out how that bug could have occurred. Thanks for the update
Amazing adventure game! I really liked the old scholl UI and of course the amazing pixelart! Additional I have played the original games which you have used as inspiration so +1000 for nostalgia!!!! Also, so far, I really like the quite unique setting of your game!
It's is possible to put keyboard shortcuts for the actions? Having to click each time on an action first get annoying very fast! Also I think that the movement action should be mapped to the numpad keys to allow fast movement within the game (since their positions is quite similar to the exit positions of game locations).
Also you should put the default graphics scale by default to at least x3 even x4 since the default x1 in today monitors produce a veryyyyyyyy small window ;-)
Just out of curiosity, the game save its state inside the game folder (I think I saw a save file inside the game folder)? It's the game installation portable?
Wow, I'm really liking this game! I've been looking for something like this for a long time. Love it! I'll make a video about it but I wanted to thank you now!
This weekend we'll be putting up a hints page and walkthrough and we'll put the link on this page. In the meantime, if you're still stuck, I can give you a hint here
Hi, just dropping by. Also stuck for a few hours now :( Got 3 keys (still haven't used the yellow one though).
statue in front of the tomb still there : I expected the "blothny gem" to make it move (as written in scroll 2), but it doesn't. Fashion solution doesn't seem to be doing anything :)
king's alkazar : gate locked, nothing seems to be able to open it. Haven't found any item there.
meteor : still there, got 2 fragments, but don't know what to do with them.
I feel like I've seen all these places way too much and I'm getting close to trying all combinations. Any hint? Great game so far, though :)
SPECTACLE looks and feels absolutely wonderful! I really like the lovely NES-aesthetics, the music is perfect and the story captures my interest. I'm not far into the game but wanted to give a short feedback of my impressions. Great work!
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I'm writing because I'm stuck, but before I figure out how to encode that, thank you for this game. What makes classics classic in any genre is they use the medium to tell a story in a way that wouldn't be possible without that specific format, and that's what makes your point and click feel old school more than the pixelated aesthetic. This is a great combination of timing, wordplay, and visual detail, and the puzzles feel 'real' -- enough of the puzzles tell a story that nothing feels like it's randomly been dropped in the wrong room just to add to the gameplay time.
Going to try to give hopefully non-spoilery clues to where I'm stuck.
- I have red, blue, and grey keys, but not yellow. I've used two keys so far.
- The guardian is still guarding, the stars are obscured, and nothing's solved with beast and bird. I can see the cosmos, and I've gotten zapped.
- I've found and correlated a few clues about the time, but aside from taking notes haven't found out their purpose.
If that's not enough to explain where I'm stuck I can answer more. As an aside, does gameplay require people to click on a fast traveler? I've spent way too long trying to get the timing of that to work.
Thank you for the kind words! Glad you're enjoying the game so far.
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Your next step appears to be getting the bird to help you. If you have the FALCON GLOVE than you can USE it on SELF when the bird does a fly by. You dont need to click on the moving bird sprite himself
A very fun game, and I'm enjoying playing it. I've gotten stuck a few times just because I couldn't see that there was something I could interact with, but managed to figure it out from seeing the few hints in the comments here.
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I'm completely and utterly stuck on how to transport the oasis water, sadly.
Glad you're enjoying it :D
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USE the EMPTY BOTTLE on the Oasis. The EMPTY BOTTLE is received from using OPEN on the GLASS BOTTLE with the TORN NOTE found by the JASMINE WATERFALL
This was super fun! I really enjoy old-school aesthetic games and this definitely scratches that itch. The world was fun to explore, and had a lot of interesting things going on. Having 6 different commands to do in each room really gives you a lot of options! I was pleasantly surprised by the music as well, there were quite a few great tracks. There's just something I love about being dropped in a new world and just told to explore. I definitely recommend this if you like older style point and click games!
Just finished watching. It's always fun watching people play these kinds of games for the first time without having played any other titles in the 'macventure' series. Things like seeing you discover what the bottom left corner 'X's mean is always enjoyable. Thanks a lot for playing and for uploading that video :D
I felt so stupid once I realized that! Glad you enjoyed, thanks for the cool experience!
No need to feel stupid at all. It's part of discovering the way these games work. This sub-genre is charmingly dated
Please port it over to Mac, thank you!
This game is absolutely fantastic. The art style, the creative puzzles and breathtaking scenery. It's just so complete! I'm excited to play your other game, Infested next! If you were to make more games like this; they would be duly supported and loved! Amazing work, all of you!
Thank you so much, we really appreciate it and we hope you enjoy Infested :D
I absolutely adored Infested and I'm so so excited to play this! The only problem with the MacVenture series on NES is that there weren't enough of them, so it is so delightful that someone has picked up the torch and is making more! Thank you for this!
Thank you for playing them and thanks for the kind words! :D
Hey Grahfmetal, I had the opportunity to try your new game. I really like it so far! I got stuck several times in the game but I have found ways to help me figure out what to do, still working my way through it. The writing is really good, I enjoy the story, and the soundtrack is pretty good. I look forward to more point-and-click adventure games!
Thank you very much, that's means a lot. Glad you're enjoying it :D
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Alright, I think I am at the point where I need a pointer. Do you know where I could find a map, in-game, that will guide me to the Oasis? I found a map in the alkazar but apparently that wasn't the right one when I tried following it.
Did you EXAM the map on the floor first to identify it? That triggers the new path in the desert allowing you to travel there
Finally found it, thanks. I seemed to have been reading the map incorrectly, I had to follow it literally to get to my destination. The game's positioning of the character threw me off by 1 square.
Do you have plans to build it for Mac?
Not currently, unfortunately. If there's a high enough demand we'd certainly consider it, for sure. Sorry about that
Do you implement your own "engine" or use something available on the market (like Visionairy or Construct3, for example)?
We used 'Game maker Studio 2'
Further more I used Aseprite to make the animations and MSPaint to do the pixel artwork
You did an amazing job
Thank you so much :D
Looks great!!! In what resolution do you draw the scene view?
Thank you! The scene window is 112 px x 112 px, identical to Shadowgate, Uninvited and Deja Vu :D
Amazing!! As you, the 8-bit adventure series are my all the time favorite games and I have plans to make a game following the same concept. It still on the paper, but the design is almost done. I bought Aseprite and was studing some framework to use (I was probably going to Visionaire, but I will take a look in GMS2).
By the way, I had contatc with Dave Marsh, one of the Shadowagte & Cia co-creators. I remember of mention you and your game Infested to him sometime ago and he seems to had a very good impression of the game screens.
That's great to hear. I look forward to seeing your work. that's exciting! It's always awesome meeting fellow fans of this nostalgic sub-genre. We actually put a reference to Dave and his team in Infested :D
The MacVenture (shadowgate, dejavu, uninvited) series is one of my all time favorites, so it does not come lightly when I say that this game is an absolute masterpiece. Now I am really excited to play Infested!
5 galaxies out of 5 stars!!!
Wow, thank you so much! Super glad you liked it. The NES Macventure games are among my favorite games of all-time as well. We're super excited for you to try Infested. It's more simplistic than Spectacle, but that's only because we tried to emulate the more earnest style of the NES as much as we could :D
an old school Video game. Reminds me of being a kid again. Love it
- Tim
We're so glad! Making these games brought us back as well :D
Grahf is the hint page out yet
Not yet. Still working on that as well as the latest patch, but in the meantime I can give you a hint on here
I finally finished this game! It was great :) I enjoyed it a lot and it reminded me of the old adventure games (in particular, the universe brought me back memories of King's Quest VI). The quality is good enough to pay for the game. Now here's a more detailed feedback from a gamedev's point of view (for possible improvements):
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All in all, this was a great game! I loved the idea of the use of time and I liked that you're guided by the scrolls. This magical universe is really immersing. If there are players reading me that are stuck, make sure to check for secret places everywhere (especially where you already collected items).
Wow, thanks for the thorough feedback and advise, that very much appreciated. It's always great to see constructive feedback with good examples.
- Your first point is fantastic, definitely will consider more detailed fail texts for a future patch
- The second and third points are also great, but they're more of a design choice meant to emulate the original Kemco ICOM NES trilogy. So we actively chose to keep certain gameplay elements "dated" in order to keep authenticity, part of our goal admittedly is capturing nostalgia, but I 100% get what you're saying.
- The fourth point on waiting 30 min. and choosing a time is actually something we tested out early on quite a bit and we found it made things way too easy and felt that the combination of moving, freezing time and passing time 6 hours made the puzzles require more planning. trust me, it took a LOT of trial and error to decide on freeze working for 5 screens, time forward being 6 hours and screen movement being 30 min. we tried several combinations and this is what we felt worked for us, I do understand the tedium, but it's a decision we felt worked the best. Great suggestions, nonetheless
- As for the final point on spelling mistakes...I figured that was bound to happen. I'll do a quick pass of the text to see what I can find for the next patch, thanks :D
Again, I really appreciate the awesome feedback. Out of curiosity, what would you say your level of experience in both point and click adventure games and puzzle games is? Also, have you played the Macventure originals, Shadowgate, Deja Vu, Deja Vu II and/or Uninvited?
On that note, have you played or other game, Infested?
Well, thanks for the game! I think most people don't realize how much time it takes to make a game of this quality, so publishing it for free is something to honor.
I didn't even know it was based on a particular game family, so I guess your design choices make sense. However, keep in mind that implementing such a game from scratch is a great opportunity for you to add your own touch and features that weren't possible or weren't thought of at the time. I'm pretty sure adding things that make it more comfortable for the player wouldn't damage the nostalgia trip (considering how everything else is well set up).
About the time things, if you tested and came up with these values, then I think I can't argue much about it. But in my opinion, there are two different "too easy" for the player. The first "too easy" would be if the player completes a puzzle by chance or if the puzzles are too obvious to figure out, this one, of course, you want to keep it away. The second "too easy" is when a player figured out a hard puzzle or found the solution to a hard problem, and then isn't struggling to achieve it "mechanically" (clicking something that is too small, too fast, navigating in a slow UI etc...), that kind of "easy" is something you want. Not having it would only be great for action games in my opinion. It felt a bit weird to have to do "come and go" to pass time by 30 minutes instead of just clicking a button. If it was intended to have to figure out the "move, freeze, come back", maybe design a puzzle specifically to have to do something like this (e.g. you can't stay on a tile or you would die from quicksands or something...). Because once the player figured this out, if he has to repeat this task multiple times at other places, you will bore him (pushed to the extreme, that would be like having to cross the desert manually everytime, but you identified that it would be boring and implemented the second kind of "making it easy"). Also, I would undoubtedly prefer a "choose the time spell" with a very long animation over a fast "6 hours forward", this way I would only be able to easily do what makes sense and won't "bruteforce" the solutions. Anyway, I'm pretty sure you have your reasons to design it this way, but just sharing some ideas here.
I haven't played any of the games you mentioned. I've played all the monkey islands, runaways, day of tentacle and this particular king's quest I talked about (also some other indie games). I'd say I'm an experienced gamer and game designer in general, but not particularly in those kind of games.
I saw you made another game of this kind, I felt more attracted to the universe of this one, but I might try the other someday ;)
Also, I edited my other comment and added 2 more things. See ya!
"However, keep in mind that implementing such a game from scratch is a great opportunity for you to add your own touch and features that weren't possible or weren't thought of at the time. I'm pretty sure adding things that make it more comfortable for the player wouldn't damage the nostalgia trip"
Oh don't worry, there is plenty of comfort updates and modern touches in our games. I just wanted to make sure to capture the essence of the originals as much as possible.
Again, some more great points clearly coming from a place of experience. Especially about the types of "too easy". Thanks for sharing, but yes, we did in fact have our reasons for doing it the way we did.
I HIGHLY recommend Shadowgate, as it's a genuine masterpiece and the gold standard in this specific sub-genre of game. Deja Vu and Uninvited are also fantastic. Make sure you play the NES Ports, which are the definitive versions and what our games are gameplay and graphically based on. You can actually get the 3 NES games bundled together on PS4, XB1 or STEAM as the "8-Bit Adventure Anthology: Volume I". Of course an NES cartridge for Shadowgate is dirt cheap if you're an original hardware person like me ;)
Also, thanks for the OPEN TORN NOTE crash, fixing that now!
I'll make sure to try your recommendations whenever I feel like playing this genre. If you got inspiration from those for Spectacle, then they surely must be great!
I just want to say that I love the work you did on INFESTED and now SPECTACLE. These games are amazing and the ICOM games are close to my heart so I appreciate you guys giving awesome tributes to those games.
Is there anyway I can donate?
Thank you so much for your kind words! It's always great to see others whom appreciated the ICOM originals. They obviously meant SO MUCH to us as well.
We really appreciate the offer for a donation and although we don't accept donations, how about considering buying the soundtrack to Infested and/or Spectacle on Bandcamp? That would definitely be much appreciated :D
https://oriefalconer.bandcamp.com/album/spectacle-original-soundtrack
Bought both soundtracks already. Love Orie's work! Thanks alot for the awesome games!
Okay, this game was DAMN BRILLIANT. I really hope this and Infested grow legs and gain more recognition, they really deserve it. I'd love to see a double-pack on physical one day.
I mean no offense, but Spectacle really seem to have improved upon Infested. Way more indepth and thought-provoking, you guys have really seem to have evolved and improved upon your last game.
I really hope we see more like this from you guys. Thanks again!
Thanks again for such wonderful words. It truly does mean the world to us to hear such praise. We're very happy to have found an awesome audience and I agree that it would be super cool to make a console port one day with a physical release :D
This game is really fun and absolutely beautiful. I love everything about the way it looks and sounds.
I don't know if it's just me or not, but I've gotten very lost not too far into the game. Based on the other comments, it does seem to just be me, but I've done all that I can find to do and i can't find any progression points
Seems like that isn't just you! probably a thing to click at we overlooked. But there's no video playthrough yet to see what it is. Well maybe tomorrow i'll be more lucid.
The game is gorgeous still.
Thank you for the compliments. We really appreciate that! We should have a walkthrough up this weekend. In the meantime if you're still stuck maybe I can give you a hint here
Okay i tought i could do it on my own, but besides smashing empty bottles on my skull i haven't made any progress.
Spoil:
Got 3 spells (o'clock, niahc, SAF), a silver cicada and an eye gem. I blew away the blue spirit, but it actually didn't lead to anything. i tried praising the sun like scroll 1 suggested but it wasnt't very successful. Any hint?
edit: crashed the game while desesperately trying stuff, not a big deal at all but you might be intersted in the logs.
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FATAL ERROR in
action number 1
of Mouse Event for Left Pressed
for object obj_ui_btn_inv_base:
second index out of bounds request 0,2 maximum size is 1
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called from - gml_Object_obj_ui_btn_inv_base_Mouse_4 (line 119)
There's still one more spell written on a wall that will allow you to progress. Thanks for the crash log that's very much appreciated
I can't find the niahc spell, so that might be my problem in all this
It looks like a really good game, but when i open it, the screen is very small and i don't know why and i don't think it'll be easy to play if i can't see whats happening.
If you go to the options you can change the window size or even go full screen. Sorry about that, the upcoming patch will launch it at 3x window size
Hit "Alt + Enter" to go into full screen mode. If you want use window mode then go into options menu and change scaling and then "Alt + Enter" back to window mode. Note this bypasses the full screen toggle in the options menu.
There is bug that with controller enabled you still need to use mouse click to get though start screen.
P.S.
Thanks for finally releasing somthing it was years science youre last game and I forgot you exist if not for email with update from itch...
Thanks, well fix that up for the next patch.
Sorry about that, Hope it was worth the wait it and you enjoy the game
The game is excellent, I loved every part of it, the gfx, the music, the atmosphere, the story and the puzzles.
Game really bring the oppressing part of those Mac-Venture games, I love these games because they are essentially dungeon crawlers with actually great dungeons where you're checking for loose tiles and such and this game excels at being that, it's not exclusively about death and being alone even if these things are important too.
I think the difficulty is fairly on point, with double hints used with parcimony and in the right places.
Not sure I really used the blue key to the door where you're meant to, I only found the spot at the very end (I missed to pick the hook) and the door was already opened for a very long time. Also examining the genie's choices gave me "Exam Fail 2" message.
Thank you for the kind words and thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what you mean by the blue key stuff or "I missed to pick the hook". Could you be more specific?
Also, the EXAM FAIL 2 on the Genie choices is added to the list of patches, thanks :D
Sure.
What's certain is that I "open"ed the door and it opened before I removed the tile where the blue lock is.
I don't know if the door was always unlocked from the start or not.
I don't know if I owned the blue key or not at that moment.
I don't know if I ever used the blue key or not on the spot (before revealing it), it's possible that I did.
Don't bother with the hook, I mentioned the hook because the bar with the hook is what helps you get the bottle where the hint about the location of the blue lock and I didn't have this hook (nor the hint then) when I opened the door.
You shouldn't be able to open the door without unlocking it with the blue key. I'll do some testing today to find out how that bug could have occurred. Thanks for the update
Amazing adventure game!
I really liked the old scholl UI and of course the amazing pixelart!
Additional I have played the original games which you have used as inspiration so +1000 for nostalgia!!!!
Also, so far, I really like the quite unique setting of your game!
It's is possible to put keyboard shortcuts for the actions? Having to click each time on an action first get annoying very fast!
Also I think that the movement action should be mapped to the numpad keys to allow fast movement within the game (since their positions is quite similar to the exit positions of game locations).
Also you should put the default graphics scale by default to at least x3 even x4 since the default x1 in today monitors produce a veryyyyyyyy small window ;-)
Thanks a lot, glad you're enjoying it and thanks for the feedback. Those are really good points we'll look into for sure :D
Just out of curiosity, the game save its state inside the game folder (I think I saw a save file inside the game folder)?
It's the game installation portable?
Wow, I'm really liking this game! I've been looking for something like this for a long time. Love it! I'll make a video about it but I wanted to thank you now!
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed it and I look forward to seeing your video on it :D
Hey Grahf, could we open a thread on the forum for clues and tips on the game? I'm stuck... HELP 😭
Sure thing
This weekend we'll be putting up a hints page and walkthrough and we'll put the link on this page. In the meantime, if you're still stuck, I can give you a hint here
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Hi, just dropping by. Also stuck for a few hours now :( Got 3 keys (still haven't used the yellow one though).
I feel like I've seen all these places way too much and I'm getting close to trying all combinations. Any hint? Great game so far, though :)
Oh snap! Awesome to see you make another game! I loved Infested and will definitely jump into this.
Awesome! Hope you enjoy it :D
SPECTACLE looks and feels absolutely wonderful! I really like the lovely NES-aesthetics, the music is perfect and the story captures my interest. I'm not far into the game but wanted to give a short feedback of my impressions. Great work!
Thank you so much! We look forward to hearing more about your experience :D